Wikileaks: US Ambdassador Called Pakistani Military Instructors "Naive" And "Biased"

You can hardly believe it, can you?

But it's fodder for discussion if nothing else.

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truly bizarre

but not surprising. The former ambassador and her military informant describe the Pakistanis as "naive" and "biased" but missing are the words, "wrong" or "truth".

They go with whatever serves their purposes. That's the smart, intelligent thing to do. People who hold to the truth are seen as stupid because it is not profitable.

But if you are going to negotiate a minefield with a map constructed from fantasy it is going to get messy sooner or later. This is why all empires fall and it's never pretty.

They are like addicts that think they can use and control their drug of choice. Exactly the same madness except these lunatics are generally more highly functioning than your average junkie and all the more dangerous for it.

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poor naive Pakistanis

they probably don't get enough western-style television programming

"except these lunatics are

"except these lunatics are generally more highly functioning than your average junkie" , seemingly "more highly functioning" .

seemingly corrected

There's nothing a pedant hates more than being corrected, Mick laughing out loud

Ashalee, from a psychiatric assessment point of view, they are highly functioning in that they can care for themselves - feed, cloth, bathe, hold down a job, keep appointments and follow conversations etc.

But from a common non-medical point of view, I agree with you. They are not highly functioning because their behaviour leads to destruction, physically or socially or both. They are facilitated in getting away with their delusions and their consequences simply because most everyone else buys into their delusions of authority, wisdom and expert knowledge and thereby 'normalise' them and isolate the inconvenient consequences from them and passing the blame onto others, usually the victims themselves.

We follow their advice instead of locking them up.

We buy into their delusions mostly because these loonies are presented to us as 'authorities' and they mimic behaviour and attitudes that our parents used on us when we were children. And we respond to them as we did to our parents as children - unthinkingly, or deciding they know best over what we think ourselves. Or thinking that they have the power and we do not.

Of course, you and I, Mick, and the other readers here don't. smiling . But an awful lot of punters out there in teevee fantasyland do, unfortunately. At least enough of them to create this 'alternative reality'. It's a knee jerk reaction (no pun intended. Ashalee, that's a lie right there!)

These lunatics are also presented to us through the teevee which has an 'authoritative' presence just in itself. It induces an alpha brainwave state in most viewers most of the time. This is the state that young children spend most of their time in and accounts for how they can (uncritically) absorb so much information without effort, seemingly.

I sometimes say to people, "How would you respond if you had a dinner guest say these sorts of things with this same attitude at your dinner table?" Most of us would be slack jawed if not choking on our roast potato.

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Missed "oportunities"

"We need, in particular, to target the 'lost generation' of Pakistan military who missed IMET opportunities..."

Wow, that lines a mouth full -kinda sums up bias and propoganda! Translation: We need to hone in on the fact that we fucked up allowing these guys to think for themselves.

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"They are facilitated in getting away with their delusions and their consequences simply because most everyone else buys into their delusions of authority, wisdom and expert knowledge and thereby 'normalise' them. We follow their advice instead of locking them up."

Such a good point, James. We fill in their dearth of emotional knowledge by projecting our own understandings onto them. For example the way the so called "progressive left" have twisted their thinking in order to project some kind of normality unto the Obomber.

REALITY-DEFORMING TENDENCIES
http://www.ponerology.com/evil_2a.html
"Emotional Reactions: As a result of our instinct and errors in our upbringing, our emotional reactions (some of which are explained below) are rarely appropriate to the situations that spark them. A common example would be taking offence to objective criticism, and making a rash decision based on a temporary emotional reaction.

Moralizing Interpretation: Humans naturally and instinctively fail to distinguish between moral evil and biological evil. We often endow our opinions with moral judgment, as if our way of thinking were best simply because it is our own. We then apply this mode of thinking to others whose behavior we see as improper. Thus we deem such individuals "bad", inferring that they have negative intentions, rather than attempting to understand the psychological conditions that are driving them and which convince them that they are doing what is right. Often these conditions include brain damage or hereditary psychopathologies. The common 'moralizing' approach can be summarized as follows: "Unless one is simply incapable of making moral choices, evil consists of making evil choices."

Psychopaths have little to no real choice in how they act as they cannot empathize or sympathize; they cannot view other humans as anything other but objects to be used for their advantage – they “lack the hardware,” so to speak. We should offer token sympathy, because they literally have no choice in the matter. Their very genetic code predisposes them toward predatory behavior. They are, as Robert Hare terms them, an intraspecies predator.

A moralizing interpretation often leads to erroneous behavior, such as a desire for revenge, which itself opens the door for further ponerogenic factors. Often, exaggerated displays of such emotionally loaded interpretations (such as those of Bill O'Reilly or Glen Beck, for example) are themselves indications of pathological egotism. "Nothing poisons the soul and deprives us of our capacity to understand reality more objectively than this very obedience to that common human tendency to take a moralistic view of human behaviour." (Lobaczewski, 149)

Critically Corrective Interpretation: As opposed to a pathological acceptance by one psychological deviant of the work of another, normal humans often apply a critically corrective interpretation to such material. Because of their richer psychological worldview, normal people will often trivialize glaring errors and project their own understanding onto the work of someone who lacks such abilities. This can cause an individual to accept material that is actually contrary to their morals or beliefs, e.g. to the work of Marx or even Adolph Hitler.

Self-Protection Reflex: Our near-reflex quickness at controlling anyone that poses as a threat to our group is encoded at the instinctual level. This reflex is accompanied by a moralizing interpretation to human behavior.

Normal Psychological Types: Among normal humans, the dynamism of the instinctive substratum differs. For some, reason easily overpowers the emotional instinct; for others, the instincts overpower the intellect. Some seem to have a richer and more developed substratum than others. These differences must be taken into account when attempting to achieve an objective look at reality.

Lack of Universality: The natural worldview only applies to the vast majority of humanity. There is, however, a statistically small segment of the human population who have quite a different worldview. These individuals are discussed in the Psychopaths: Almost Human section of this website. As such, the natural worldview has limited applicability. We manage to live our lives with only our emotional thinking and the pursuit of happiness, but these are insufficient tools when dealing with psychopathology.

Egotism of the Natural World View: Some people with a highly developed natural worldview of psychological, societal, moral aspects tend to overvalue their own worldview, seeing it as an objective basis for judging others. While this is the least pernicious form of egotism, being based in humanistic principles, the refusal to admit to the possibility of error can have a stifling effect on counteractive measures against macrosocial disease. For example, a strong belief that all humans are born equal and created in God's image can lead to an "egalitarian" acceptance of pathological individuals and their distorted world view. Similar dynamics occur with strong beliefs in freedom of speech, freedom to pursue happiness, the "goodness" of humankind, etc. An objective world view must be practical and rooted in biological realities. However, it must adequately explain what biology does not. It must take into account the "reading errors" of the natural worldview. "

projection

"We fill in their dearth of emotional knowledge by projecting our own understandings onto them."

Exactly, McJ. Hence the primary need to educate people about the nature and prevalence of psychopathy. Without understanding psychopaths and how they use our own natural biological reactions against us, nothing about this wall-to-wall fantasy world is understandable.

I think we are making progress, though. Two years ago, i hardly ever came across 'leaders' being referred to as psychopaths.

Thanks for the extensive quote from Ponerology, too smiling

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Mladic arrested

OT but seeing as we don't have an open thread right now... smiling

The PTB just caught another big fish. He was living in a relative's home just a 100 miles from Belgrade. Guess they never thought to check there.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/mladic-appears-in-belgr...

"Gen. Ratko Mladic, the ruthless Bosnian Serb military leader charged with orchestrating Europe's worst massacre of civilians since World War II, was arrested at a relative's home in a tiny Serbian village on Thursday after a 16-year hunt for the architect of what a war-crimes judge called “scenes from hell.”

..."Mr. Mladic's arrest removed the most important barrier to the Western-leaning Serbian government's efforts to join the European Union and to rehabilitate the country's image as a pariah state that sheltered the men responsible for the worst atrocities of the Balkan wars of the 1990s."

“We have ended a difficult period of our history and removed the stain from the face of Serbia and the members of our nation wherever they live,” President Boris Tadic said in a triumphant press conference announcing the arrest. A Serbian official close to Tadic told The Associated Press that the president had personally overseen the arrest operation, and compared it to President Barack Obama's involvement in the hunt for Osama bin Laden. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic."

..."But even as Balkan war-crimes fugitives such as Karadzic and Slobodan Milosevic were brought to The Hague, Mr. Mladic was idolized and sheltered by ultranationalists and ordinary Serbs despite a 10 million euro ($14-million) Serbian government bounty, plus $5-million offered by the U.S. State Department."

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Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack on Pakistan

US, Pakistan Near Open War; Chinese Ultimatum Warns Washington Against Attack
http://tarpley.net/2011/05/21/us-pakistan-near-open-war-chinese-ultimatu...

"China has officially put the United States on notice that Washington's planned attack on Pakistan will be interpreted as an act of aggression against Beijing. This blunt warning represents the first known strategic ultimatum received by the United States in half a century, going back to Soviet warnings during the Berlin crisis of 1958-1961, and indicates the grave danger of general war growing out of the US-Pakistan confrontation.
"Any Attack on Pakistan Would be Construed as an Attack on China"

"...The simmering strategic crisis between the United States and Pakistan exploded with full force on May 1, with the unilateral and unauthorized US commando raid alleged to have killed the phantomatic Osama bin Laden in a compound at Abottabad, a flagrant violation of Pakistan's national sovereignty. The timing of this military stunt designed to inflame tensions between the two countries had nothing to do with any alleged Global War on Terror, and everything to do with the late March visit to Pakistan of Prince Bandar, the Saudi Arabian National Security Council chief. This visit had resulted in a de facto alliance between Islamabad and Riyadh, with Pakistan promising troops to put down any US-backed color revolution in the kingdom, while extending nuclear protection to the Saudis, thus making them less vulnerable to US extortion threats to abandon the oil-rich monarchy to the tender mercies of Tehran. A joint move by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to break out of the US empire, whatever one may think of these regimes, would represent a fatal blow for the fading US empire in South Asia."

"...The Nation: A CIA-RAW-Mossad Pseudo-Taliban Countergang -
One way to provide the provocation needed to justify a US-Indian attack on Pakistan would be through an increase in terrorist actions attributable to the so-called Taliban. According to the mainstream Pakistani media, the CIA, the Israeli Mossad, and the Indian RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) have created their own version of the Taliban in the form of a terrorist countergang which they control and direct. According to one account, "Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operatives have infiltrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda networks, and have created their own Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) force in order to destabilize Pakistan." The former Punjab Regional Commander of the Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI), retired Brigadier General Aslam Ghuman, commented: "During my visit to the US, I learned that the Israeli spy agency Mossad, in connivance with Indian agency RAW, under the direct supervision of CIA, planned to destabilize Pakistan at any cost."7 Was this countergang responsible for last week's double bombing in Waziristan, which killed 80 paramilitary police?"

no offense to Tarpley but

Is this actually true or is only Tarpley saying this? "According to the mainstream Pakistani media, the CIA, the Israeli Mossad, and the Indian RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) have created their own version of the Taliban in the form of a terrorist countergang which they control and direct. According to one account, "Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operatives have infiltrated the Taliban and Al-Qaeda networks, and have created their own Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) force in order to destabilize Pakistan." The former Punjab Regional Commander of the Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI), retired Brigadier General Aslam Ghuman, commented: "During my visit to the US, I learned that the Israeli spy agency Mossad, in connivance with Indian agency RAW, under the direct supervision of CIA, planned to destabilize Pakistan at any cost."7 Was this countergang responsible for last week's double bombing in Waziristan, which killed 80 paramilitary police?"

Tarpley a lone voice?

"Is this actually true or is only Tarpley saying this?"
No, others are saying this in one way or another. the Tehrik-e-Taliban is widely acknowledged as a creature of the CIA et. al. as is Al-Qaeda.

This tactic of forming your own rebel group is a very old one. You might do a search on Gen. Frank Kitson and "pseudo gangs". He wrote a book about it called "Low Intensity Operations". It is available on the net as a pdf.

Is it credible for instance that an indigenous force, such as the Taliban in Afghanistan, armed with AK47s can hold off the combined force and technology of NATO and the US for how many years now?

The Taliban were eliminated in the first weeks of the Afghan campaign. What is in place now is a "pseudo gang" whose purpose is to justify the continued occupation of that country. The bombing of weddings and the killing of children is designed to enrage the population so that some of them will retaliate against the occupying soldiers and/or join the US controlled 'pseudo' Taliban. It is an entirely manufactured war.

The same process is in train in Pakistan now. The real opposition is being targeted by drone missiles etc and is being replaced with the CIA's TeT. Together, Tet and NATO with their pseudo war plan to destroy Pakistan in this nasty cynical "pincer movement".

Libya will become another example of this if NATO has it's way. Welcome to the Matrix!

I don't doubt any of this

what i had some doubts about is whether "mainstream" Pakistani press are reporting it. Or that they are allowed to report it, without their stations & printing presses being blown up.

Tarpley a lone voice? Hardly

The TTP have western intelligence written all over them.
I have seen articles linking them to US Intelligence, the Mossad, when Raymond Davis was arrested he had information on him that connected him to the TTP.

http://www.timesofbombay.com/?tag=tehrik-i-taliban-pakistan

that is just one link of multiple links I have seen and likely have some on my blog.
The attacks they conduct are always meant to destabilize Pakistan and/or thwart attempts at peace and reconciliation with Aghanistan.
That is a very western goal.
As for the Frank Kitson book, I had it posted on my blog and will see if I can find it.

Here it is. The book is linked in this blog post
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2010/02/low-intensity-operatio...

Pakistani press

"what i had some doubts about is whether "mainstream" Pakistani press are reporting it

That's a much more specific question which you might have answered for yourself. If you had followed the link back to Tarpley (given above in McJ's comment),
http://tarpley.net/2011/05/21/us-pakistan-near-open-war-chinese-ultimatu...

you would have found his reference, with a link, to this article by Yahoo News.
http://my.news.yahoo.com/cia-created-own-taliban-wreak-terror-havoc-paki...

Yahoo in turn reprinted it's article from ANI (Asia News International)
http://www.aniin.com/Storylist.asp
but without a link.

ANI do not have a search function on their site, it would seem. But you have May12 as a date if you want to pursue it further.

The newspaper cited by the ANI article is "The Nation" - "the most credile of English newspapers in Pakistan" by its own reckoning! It has a search function but it does not give up any positive results. Many Newspapers only offer searches for very current articles, though. So that may be the reason . . . or not.

So the answer would seem to be "Yes", they are reporting these types of things in South Asia. In general, the Asian press is not nearly as controlled as the free press we have here in the democratic West.

It might have something to do with the differing ownerships smiling

the full quote

Here ya go! This is the full quote from the original article at The Nation - Pakistan. It's a two page article and the quote below is on the second page

"Similarly, ex- ISI Punjab regional commander Brigadier (r) Aslam Ghuman said, “During my visit to the US, I learnt Israeli spy agency Mossad, in connivance with Indian agency RAW, under the direct supervision of CIA, planned to destabilise Pakistan at any cost”. The commander further said Pakistan has the best army, the best intelligence network and the best public, but unfortunately not the best rulers. “Obama needs votes in the coming elections and all of this drama was staged to defame Pakistan across the world,” he added. "

It is interesting to note that the newspapers in this chain do not give links to their sources whereas the bloggers do.

I'd be going back to my chocolate now if i had any!

"israel" is a false flag

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/06/jonathan-azaziah-gaza-and-al-quds-linke...

"Israel unloaded several white phosphorus bombs on Gaza in April (2011)" J.Azaziah

My question: Is "israel" completely fucking barking-mad CRAZY to be killing Gaza children in front of the whole world?

Fact: the country of "israel" IS a false flag. Their flag is the criminal goldsmith Bauer's red shield. The "country" of Rothschildlandia is as false as the Balfor "declaration" paper written and paid for by false-jew Khazarian Ashkenazis. This "country" is as fake as a three dollar bill.

It is time to end the fakery, the madness, the murder.

Dissolve "israel" before it samsonises the whole world as they did 9/11. Put Nathan and his whole criminal klan in prison (sic).

Press restart and begin the civilised world again - without any usury or any fraction reserve banking. There is no other way - the system can never be fixed as it presently exists. Corruption exists at every single level in every single governing body in every single country everywhere in the world.

If you love your children, if you love life, the above MUST occur worldwide!

My2sense

Mouser

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thank you mouser

knowing the many weapons and advantages at their disposal, how to bring this about peacefully with a chance for success..

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