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always a pleasure to read your posts WP. I often wondered how such ridiculous lies could be swallowed en masse, I think your post answers this question: you cannot question the most outrageous lies without questionning the whole foundation, which is the actual image and values of America itself. Unconsciously most people may know that questionning any little thing threatens the whole edifice their worldview is based on. Nothing is stronger than denial. That's why I'm pessimistic: even if someday the corporate press told us that Bin Laden took credit for a terrorist attack through an email, this lie too would be swallowed whole. I don't know what the stupidity treshold is when it comes to this, or if it can ever be broken. Denial is beyond rationality.

Winter Patriot,

You mentioned that the purpose is to keep the threat and the fear alive. So, how do you see all this coming to an end? I mean, the US is still fighting the so-called war on drugs. Regan started the war on poverty. Nixon had the war on cancer (and Vietnam).

So, when will this madness end do you think?

You nailed it again, Winter! I have the exact same problem trying to discuss politics with my Dad. He can't see the rut for the mud, either. I'm sure it will turn out that Rauf left the tape on the lock at the Watergate complex, and then snuck into the White House and erased those innocent 17 minutes of banter. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Meanwhile, I'm working on my new epic poem, Earsnots Raised Grand (an anagram of Disarranged Senators):

Treason First,
Dire Treason.
U Scab u Ratnose!
Ram Hag Earsnot!

Just 97 ratnoses/earsnots left to incorporate into this wormtasker. It's a lonely job, but someone's gotta do it. Sigh...

"Only a fool would question the sea and sky", or the moon and the stars it would seem.

Dave McGowan of Pedophocracy fame has written a piece on the alledged Apollo moonlandings entitled Wagging The Moondoggie. It is an extremely interesting read especially after NJT's poll on the subject and Winter's previously published article. In the article, McGowan wrote something which is very apropos to Winter's article here prompted by his father's attitude (and that of many (most?) others in the US) to the world and their place in it. I'll quote-
"What primarily motivates them is fear. But it is not the lie itself that scares people; it is what that lie says about the world around us and how it really functions. For if NASA was able to pull off such an outrageous hoax before the entire world, and then keep that lie in place for four decades, what does that say about the control of the information we receive? What does that say about the media, and the scientific community, and the educational community, and all the other institutions we depend on to tell us the truth? What does that say about the very nature of the world we live in?

To which I would add, more importantly, what does it tell them about themselves. They just might see themselves as the much loathed liberals amongst them and also a large part of the rest of the world do . . . dupes.

Sorry guys this is OT.

James is there legislation like our governments new proposed "search and surveylance" bill in OZ cause if there isnt I will be landing somewhere on your continent soon if this bill is passed. Theoretically this is to fight gangs. The US/world has Al Qaeda and our great threat is gangs.

"The Search and Surveillance Bill, now before the justice and electoral select committee, sets out the powers police have to search and monitor people, but also extends powers to other agencies, such as the Commerce Commission and local authorities.
They will be able to secure warrants to use surveillance devices, such as cameras, search computers remotely and search vehicles without a warrant."

The proposed law gives the right to search without a warrant on the ground of suspicion without any specifics. With computer surveylance I don't think there is anything to stop them planting evidence on your computer and putting you away real easy like.

They also want to remove the right to silence. It hasn't happened yet but 80% ( if thats not a big lie ) of dumb Kiwis are all for it so I imagine they'll get away with it.

Yes I think I may end up living in a dream cause one would hope we have mental privacy. Im sure there are those who would violate that privacy though. I think they call them the thought police.

I came across a 40 min radio interview with Dave McGowan on his book "Programmed to Kill". This book is the source of the Pedophocracy chapters which are, in fact, the first six chapters of his book.
You can find the link here at Penny For Your Thoughts

If you scroll down the right hand sidebar at Penny's you will find links to MKUltra docos. I haven't watched them as I don't have the bandwidth (or whatever it is that I don't have is called!). So I'd be interested in any feedback should someone take a gander at any of them.

Excellent, well-justified rant! Very few Americans have passports, and of those who do, fewer still have spent any substantive amount of time outside of the country. Worse yet, even less of them realize how myopic the American media is and make any effort to correct this.

I'm a secondary social studies teacher and one way I try to help combat this ignorance is with context. See, for example, "Global Pulse" and "Mosaic".

Keep up the struggle, WP!

Thanks, good article. I was sent here from whatreallyhappened. I can't talk to my dad either, or my brother, my uncle, my mother...

THEM: "But NIST and Popular Mechanics say **blah blah blah**."

ME: "Yeah, well NIST is a department of the Executive Branch and PM is the epitome of yellow journalism!"

THEM: "Oh just because you're suspicious of the source doesn't mean everything they say is false. "

ME: "Right, except for the things they've said which were PROVEN FALSE!"

THEM: "You get so emotional."

ME: "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!"

(REPEAT FOR 8 YEARS)

I actually had a brief debate with them about the merits of torture. They think they know what's going on in the world because they watch "24" on Fox. They're of course pro torture "if it'll stop terror attacks." (which we all know is improbable at best)
Fine, let's waterboard some suspects; Dick Cheney, Ariel Sharon, GHW Bush, the BBC, Rockefeller, both Clintons, Urban Moving Company... But we wouldn't get any answers, all it would do is make them say whatever they think will make the torture stop. And to them, that's not even torture! ~LOL~

-R.M.

I see this Rotella mentions Turkish recruits for al CIAda. . . of course this mention of the Turks would have nothing to do at all with the falling out between Turkey and anti assimilation land (aka Palestine-on-Sea) thats erupted recently over Gaza and operation cast lead

From Aangirfan-
Lord of the Flies

Here's part of another report about a drone attack on an 'al Qaeda' from the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation):

Top Al Qaeda figure dies in drone strike

A senior Al Qaeda leader is believed to have been killed in a drone strike in north-west Pakistan, a US official said.

The attack by the US unmanned aircraft was carried out earlier this week and the person who was killed was an "upper-tier" figure in the Al Qaeda network, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The raid was part of a growing bombing campaign by the US against Al Qaeda and Taliban figures in tribal areas of Pakistan.

The Wall Street Journal and CBS television reported that the man killed was believed to be the Al Qaeda number three, Abu Yahya al-Libi, who escaped from a US-run prison in Bagram in Afghanistan in 2005.

Conflicting reports said the man killed was Saleh al-Somali, a senior Al Qaeda operations planner.

The operation did not target Al Qaeda's leader, Osama bin Laden, nor his Egyptian deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, officials said. ...

Although I can see the Australian and US Governments' version of the conflict is a lie, it is hard for me to understand what is driving those fighting against the US in the way I am able to understand the Vietnam War.

Are those labeled 'al Qaeda'

(a) civilians;

(b) figments of the imagination of journalists like Sebastian Rotella;

(c) bogus, patsy guerrilla fighters being nurtured by the US to create the illusion of an armed struggle where none would otherwise exist;

(d) Taliban fighters mislabeled as 'al Qaeda';

(e) Popular liberation fighters; or

(f) Something else

?

(d) and (e) are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Is there anything that will explain what is going on there and give us reason to want to see any political movement prevail in this conflict?

Dear Winter,

I hope that your father is now well, and that you have superseded your own difficulties.

It would be a great pleasure to read more of your insightful posts again soon.
Your thoughtful observations and analyses are much missed.

Best wishes for a happy, healthy and successful 2010.

Regards from north of the 49th.,
Political Scientist