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Happy Patriot Day? Not Quite: The Saddest 9/11 Anniversary Of All
Here we are again, another September 11th. For me it's more painful than any previous anniversary of the "terrorist attacks" of 2001.
Your comments are welcome below.
Comments
That's a very interesting
That's a very interesting observation. You're clearly onto something. Hauer seems to have a long history with biological terrorism warfare as a member of the Kroll group. He then went on to be an adviser to Giuliani on emergency management. And last, but certainly not least, he comes from a family with a long tradition of running and supporting Zionist pro-Israel organizations.
I wonder if he personally knew Bruce Ivins.
Question about the official story
Sorry if this is territory you've gone over before, but:
1) What's suspicious about the impact and heated steel leading to collapse?
2) It's entirely possible that Jerome made a lucky guess about bin Laden, but it's also entirely possible that he was given talking points beforehand. Bin Laden was already on the US government's hit list, though Saddam was higher up than him. It could have been a lucky guess or it could have been the government taking advantage of the situation. How do Jerome's statements play into the notion that the US government planned and executed 9/11? Or do they not and I've read too much into your post?
If this is an old re-hash of an argument for you, don't worry about it.
I'm sorry, Bolo ...
but I've just been called away on another crisis and I cannot give your question full attention. But in short
[1] the main thing that's suspicious about this part of the official story is that it is not even remotely possible. The second most suspicious thing is that it doesn't fit the evidence left behind after the so-called "collapse" of the buildings.
[2] No, it wasn't a "lucky guess". It was an outright, pre-fabricated, lie. Even now, 8 years later, the FBI has no evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11. Colin Powell promised a white paper demonstrating bin Laden's guilt but no white paper ever came out. The simple fact is that NOBODY has any evidence implicating bin Laden in any of this.
And what has this to do with the US government? Who do you think Jerome Hauer worked for?
On September 11, 2001, Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, and head of NYC's Office of Emergency Preparedness.
He was supposed to be trying to prevent stuff like this from happening, not going on national TV to blame it on innocent people.
I will be away for a few days at least but if you have more questions, I'm sure some of the others will be happy to fill you in.
Not all Sad
Some ground is being raised in the truth movement, with Charlie Sheen being more vocal. These questions are still a long way from the media's dinner table, but we're getting there.
And to answer Bolo's first question, there were reports by firefighters and others that they heard explosives coming form the buildings (obviously the cause of their collapse rather than jet fuel and the subsequent fire - since those buildings were designed to withstand that type of damage from an airliner crashing into it). Buildings of that size and magnitude do not fall in less than ten seconds without the use of explosives planted in them. There were steel, office buildings in Europe and China that got caught on fire, and did not crumble to ashes like the WTC 1, 2, and 7 buildings. It is simple observation and simple logic to assume that fire did not bring those buildings down.
http://disquietreservations.blogspot.com/
massive secondary explosions
Immediately prior to the collapse initiation in both towers "massive secondary explosions" were seen, heard, and described by live television reporters. The nature of the collapses can only be described as "explosive" leading at least one on-air commenter to speculate that there were "literally tons of explosives" planted in the buildings.
An analysis of video of the "collapses" shows that they were not collapses (take for example the rotating tower chunk, shown in the photo with WP's article; it was freefalling, where did it go?).
Such a massive structural steel frame is unlikely to shatter into multiple pieces, let alone into a pile of rubble and dust. A collapsing structural steel frame would typically leave most of it's original shape in tact, whether squished or on its side (or both squished and on its side), perhaps in two pieces, but not a hundred million.
Steel is, in general, not a brittle material, but rather much more elastic and ductile - ESPECIALLY when heated to several hundred degrees F or more. In order to believe these were actual total collapses as witnessed on video, we'd have to suspend knowledge of these basic properties of steel.
In the days following 9/11, Molten steel was well-documented by engineers and others who visited the site. Within the context of the official story, there is no explanation for molten steel. Incredibly high temperatures were recorded, even by satellite, for weeks after the event. Much higher temps than any office building fire or jet fuel could produce. Whatever caused such heat has never been explained or even investigated.
These are, in my opinion, simple facts of reality, impartial and non-partisan.
What is more difficult for me to understand is the way the American media and citizens have behaved in the shadow of this event. Asking for an honest investigation and examination of the evidence is akin to treason (see Van Jones fallout for most recent example of this).
-NJT
How True
There is still a lot of naivety about the coup that took place on 9/11, and a whole heap of disinformation spread like manure to disguise and obfuscate the stink of the true events (which - as you say - we will likely never know). For me, one very important thing that you state is that it only takes one prick to burst this bubble. Pick any inconsistency you like. The entire official story is a huge lie and,weirdly, that is part of its strength. Every aspect sends people off on the wrong tangent; nothing is true, so chasing up and investigating each piece of "official evidence" serves further to obfuscate and to drive investigators further and further towards Alice in Wonderland. As to the instigators of the coup, they must truly be the ultimate experts in deception : see this article.
So Many Errors - So Little Time
Absolutely correct - because we are operating in the dark and reconstructing what actually happened that morning without being able to rely on a true independent investigation. A multitude of theories will necessarily arise in the confusion, and some will be more acceptable than others. The creators of Loose Change, for instance, saw the movie's emphasis constantly evolve in their later editions because of new findings and discoveries; and away from certain issues such as the controlled demolitions of the North and South Towers, editing motivated by the desire to highlight more defensible and crucial evidence. These changes have been targeted by the Establishment as evidence that the movie's initial claims had to be dropped because they were debunked, such as the Twin Tower's demolition (rather than a decision to emphasize Tower 7's fall).
The 9/11 Truth is adapting to these attacks and coalescing around several key, undeniable facts, however, which is causing the Establishment difficulties in countering. So in response we're getting movies such a History Channel's "9/11 Conspiracy: Fact or Fiction" or National Geographic's "9/11: Science and Conspiracy" which attack the movement using strawman arguments (attaching significance to bogus tests whose comparability to 9/11 is denied even on camera), claiming the entire theory rests on peripheral points (such as whether a plane or missile hit the Pentagon), or just avoiding the really nasty questions (such why Tower 7 collapsed). It all comes down to whether or not Americans want to know the truth - because everything is there for them to decide for themselves. The big question is will they, and if they do, are they prepared to do anything about it?
I have reason to celebrate
I have reason to celebrate 11/09(aussie), that have nothing to do with 'official stories'. My daughter was born that day in 1986. She is a wonderful, intelligent and caring human being, of whom I am very proud.
WP, hope everything is still ok with you and yours.
I have so many questions about 9/11 and the official stories. It blows the mind that anybody could not not question what we have been 'told'.
Thanks for this WP
Glad to read something from you today - thanks for keeping the truth alive!
Couple small problems I noticed though:
1) This sentence seems to be missing a word: "The obvious (though horrible) truths about 9/11 would much more common knowledge than they are already."
2) The video doesn't play but instead displays a message saying it "was removed by the user"
-NJT
thanks for the correction and the info
I have inserted the missing word and made a note in the post about how the video might not be available. Like all incriminating stuff, it intermittently disappears. Unfortunately I do not have a copy of it that I can post. I did have a copy at one time but it was on a computer that died. Oh well.
That video was truly amazing and someday maybe it will be available again. Otherwise someday maybe I will be able to tell you more about it. Someday. Maybe. But in the meantime we hang tough as best we can.
Sharing your sadness
I share your sadness and frustration. It seems that 8 years later we are farther away than ever from getting an independent inquiry or having any chance of the truth making it into the mainstream of thought. It seems the real story of 911 is headed the way of the JFK assassination.
I was curious to see if Jerome Hauer would make an appearance here like the last time you wrote about him.
James asked me to post the picture below for him.
"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson
if Jerome writes to me again ...
... I will be sure to mention it.
But I fear his previous missive was a one-off.
And from any rational point of view, it really is in his best interests to remain silent about this, isn't it? So I don't expect to hear from him again. But then, I never expected to hear from him at all.
re McJ's photo
It's incredible how the energy of a jet plane hitting a structure some 600 feet up from its base can cause such a perfect angular cut in a sturdy steel girder, down near the structure's base. I wonder if that sort of effect ever has been successfully modeled.
Oh well, never mind. We have an Official Story to wrap around our brains and keep us safe from the dangers of science and objectivity.
If only we could go back to the "truth" that the world is flat!
What's also amazing
What's also amazing is how they ever found the intact passport of one of hijackers on the plane that hit the structure, lying around near that massive pile of rubble. Imagine the luck of that! It's almost as if some angel carried it down and lovingly placed it where it could be found.
The world isn't flat you say? Who knew?
"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson
Cut!
There are some nice horizontal cuts in the other beams too.
It's obvious that most people in the USA just don't want to know the truth. Those who do want to know feel powerless, and because there are so few of them that in effect becomes true.
But the power of truth remains.
Meanwhile, we have screaming mobs of "tea-baggers" in the streets, which is funny because we were told that people in the USA just don't "do" protests any more.
Ah but that was then and this is now. We've moved on. We never stop moving on to another thing. If we stopped and looked back, we would all be turned to salt statues.
So Jerome Hauer and his buddies play golf, bitch about the value of their investment portfolios, and plan new schemes. When they are all dead, who will ever be able to piece together the puzzle? Like JFK, it will be an eternal conspiracy theory, and we will all be entitled to our own opinions because the facts, like the memories, will have all disappeared.
WP, hang in there mate. Hope you and your family are OK.
The bigger picture
I have read through a lot of discussions (maybe too many) about what might or might not have happened on 9/11 and I can now state more firmly than ever my utter confusion about this mythic day. There is simply no way of knowing because of the unprecedented nature of the events and most of the arguments brought forward anywhere (including this place) for or against any theory don't have absolute value. For example:
"It's incredible how the energy of a jet plane hitting a structure some 600 feet up from its base can cause such a perfect angular cut in a sturdy steel girder, down near the structure's base."
What about the energy of millions of tons of weight coming down on it? It sure looks weird but then again I have seen a lot of weird things happen.
Also, I'd like to see the math behind the "constructed to withstand airplane impacts" arguments. I would guess that if you deal with forces of such dimensions there is really no way to be completely certain what is going to happen. Or there might be a way but the designers of the buildings didn't think about it at that time (like everyone else, they just weren't perfect).
I'd expect some very loud noise prior to such an enormous collapse. How would this noise sound like? Explosions maybe? Who knows? I don't.
Having said that I think the way the administration tried to obfuscate and prevent any inquiry of the events speaks for itself. And the fact that they started the Iraq war should be enough to put them behind bars for the rest of their lives even if 9/11 wasn't an iside job after all.
But there is more I want to say. Winter, I've been a somewhat regular reader of your blog and I really appreciate your posts. There is a lot of genuine compassion to be found in your prose. Don't despair over the seemingly overwhelming wickedness of the world. Real life should always take precedence over global politics. The powers we're up against are far too mighty for any one person to handle. So, change has to start from each person's immediate environment. And that's what we can influence for the better. There are actually a lot of us.
All the best from a fellow guitar player from Germany!
hi value
Thanks for your post. I can't speak for Winter but I would like to respond to your points regarding the WTC.
That angled steel column was clearly cut using heat. Whether it was cut as part of the rescue effort, I don't know. (I've read that the photo was taken before major rescue efforts were underway, but I have no way to verify that) But that angle with a clean cut straight line and the molten drips down the side of the column did not and could not have resulted from collapsing material above. Period.
Regarding "built to withstand impacts," clearly the buildings withstood the impacts. Upon impact, the buildings did not bulge, tilt, sag, nothing. No structural affect was outwardly apparent until the massive (and massively suspicious) explosions some time later. That so many were able to escape with their lives shows that the buildings did withstand the impacts, regardless of the designers' intentions or lack of perfection.
There is a lot of purposefully confusing and misleading information out there about these collapses, but in my opinion there is enough clear cut evidence to begin a criminal investigation of those who had the motive and opportunity to pull off such an operation (planting explosives in the building) and cover it up (by stating that "we must never entertain outrageous conspiracy theories" and then stonewalling a commission to investigate the attacks).
I also do agree with you that the initiation and tactics of the Iraq war in and of itself is enough to put a large segment of the Bush administration behind bars for life. That justice appears to be postponed.
-NJT
Irrefutable Evidence in "911 Mysteries - Demolitions"
Hello Value
Thanks for your comments on 911. Have you watched the movie 911 Mysteries Part 1 - Demolitions. I've posted it to the 911 forum because it is the best most detailed account of 911 that I have seen thanks to WP posting a shorter version way back when.
There is overwhelming evidence in this movie that the towers were brought down by a sequence of explosives as in a controlled demolition.
Some Key points documented in the movie (they cover all these points more fully in the movie and much more):
1. Larry Silverstein bought a 100-year lease on the towers for 15 million dollars about 6 months prior to its collapse. He reworked the insurance policy to ensure it was covered for acts of terrorism that would allow him to rebuild. Upon the collapse he successfully claimed for 2 acts of terrorism and won a settlement of 6-7 billion dollars. Nice profit on investment (murder?). I put the question mark there because legally murder has never been proven. No one has even tried.
2. In the week before the collapse an unprecedented power down supposedly to rewire the building for Internet. This power-down negated all security in the building. Cables were being laid all over the building.
3. A relative of George Bush owned the security contract on the building.
2. Nothing hit building 7 (steel framed building) which was not that close to the twin towers yet later that day it inexplicably collapsed supposedly from raging fires which there is no evidence to support ever happened. Larry Silverstein is shown in a PBS documentary saying they made a decision to pull building 7. Buiding 7 was not damaged from falling debris etc like other much closer buildings yet it was the third steel framed building in history to collapse from (alleged ) fire. The collapse was reported by the BBC before it actually fell and you can see it still standing in the live backdrop as the BBC announces its collapse.
It is believed there was a lot of evidence agianst Enron and other corporations for the California power swindle etc etc in building 7.
3. The movie shows raging inferno's in other steel framed buildings, which go on for 20 hours etc. What remains is the steel frame. No fire has ever bought down the steel frame of a building. Nothing hit building 7. There were no raging inferno's. It collapsed. You can see Larry saying on video that they made a decision to pull it and there’s more. Every official lie and excuse is easily refuted in this movie. I advise you and anyone else who is uncertain to watch it if you want to be certain of what occurred on that day.
4. All three of the buildings collapsed in approx. 10 second each, the speed of free fall with no resistance. This happened uniformly to the twin towers and building 7 that was hit by nothing at all. Building 7 was also a massive steel-framed structure.
5. Many of the victims bodies were never recovered. Everything was reduced to fine particles with virtually no office furniture found at all. This happens with high-powered explosives, which blow everything to bits.
6. You can see in the huge billowing clouds of dust large pieces of steel being flung out as the building collapses. One piece lodged in a neighboring building and according to the movie was twice the weight of a Jumbo Jet. Unlike the undamaged building 7 this severely damaged building that was much closer to the towers did not collapse.
7. There were bone fragments found on the roof of a neighboring building years later. Explosives blow everything into tiny pieces and this is what happened.
8. The official story says that intense heat in the towers weakened the steel frames. No one in the towers reported that type of heat. In the movie you can listen for yourself to firemen inside the towers after the jet fuel had burnt off before the buildings fell saying that there 2 small isolated pockets of fire and that they needed 2 watered lines to put them out.
9. The movie shows video clips of other buildings being demolished and buildings with raging fires in them. They look entirely different and the towers and building 7 look like the clips of controlled demolitions not like the fires.
10. Weeks after the collapse there was molten metal in the ground which melted firemen’s boots. Evidence for explosives containing thermite which are used to demolish steel framed buildings. Shaped charges used to demolish steel framed buildings contain thermite which reaches very high temperatures quickly to melt steel and bring down buildings. This supports the idea that those angled cuts were made by the shaped charges used in the demolition industry.
There’s a hell of a lot more evidence in this movie and all over the net that the towers were demolished.
This one movie was enough to make it very clear to me. I gave a copy to a disbeliever and his summation after watching it was that is was very simple once you had seen all this evidence in one movie. It is very very clear.
Hope you have a fast connection to watch this movie online or you can buy a copy from the makers at www.911weknow.com.
Please post your opinion once you have seen it.
Thanks very much for this
Thanks very much for this fine synopsis, Sally. I get an hour a month of sorta high speed download with my cheapo internet deal (pedals not included). I think I'm going to have to lengthen my arms and shorten my pockets and but a copy. It sounds well worth it.
James Etc - Audio Track Mp3 For 911 Demolitions
For All You Folk With Peddle Powered Internet (Slow Connections) like James, heres the audio track of 911 Mysteries Part One: Demolitions.
My connection is pretty slow where I am currently staying and I cant watch movies right now but I still try and its a bit like charging at a windmill with obvious differences ):
911 Mysteries Part One: Demolitions 1 of 10
( I'll Add The rest if this one plays OK. It didnt work too well added to the forum movie post but then one might expect a bit of a clash. I'll also add all 10 MP3's approx 1.6 megs each if anyone wants to download the audio files..
Good idea and thanks for
Good idea and thanks for doing that Sally!
"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson
Hi Sally, I just watched 2/3
Hi Sally,
I just watched 2/3 of the 9/11 mysteries film. I have in fact, also watched some other documentaries on that topic, like Loose Change and others I can't recall the names of which.
I had started to do my usual thing and play the devils advocate by attacking certain points it raises. But then I realized I would only continue to contribute to the senseless fighting that's going on on internet forums each and every day with no promise to change anything for the better.
So I'll just say this: I'm not a structural engineer. I haven't had a welding tool in my hand for all my life. So, a foto like the above does awake my couriousity, but it doesn't make me believe. I've read reports of structional engineers on either side of the story who claimed all kinds of things. I don't know anyone of them personally, so I've chosen to remain a "skeptic" until some evidence arises in which I can trust.
Keep in mind that I am a regular reader of this blog. If I believed the mass media were reliable sources I wouldn't be here. A different kind of example was the claimed impossibility to produce liquid explosives with some plastic bottles in an airplane toilet. I'm also not a chemical engineer but I happen to know some. I asked one of them about this and she told me she thought it would be extremely hard and very dangerous to do. Here's a real world connection that puts this stuff into a different category for me.
I just looked up the german word "Indiz" and found that it can be translated into english as "evidence" (german: "Beweis"). That's interesting because in german those two words mean very different things. One means a (weak or strong) indication of a thing being a certain way and the other one means proof.
The points you mention are all "Indizien" but no proof. I agree with you that a new investigation is well justified, but I still choose to be sceptical. That doesn't mean I think the world is flat like Anonymous implies in his comment. I'd rather challenge him to explain to me the difference between "Indiz" and "Beweis", but I think this is useless because some people choose their sides only to be on a side.
By the way, I think if a new investigation showed it was some evil forces in the secret service and the government that caused 9/11 this could mean the collapse of the US empire and I don't think this would be a peaceful matter at all. But that's another story.
All the best,
value
there comes a point
value -
I agree that to the layman, each little piece of this is only evidence pointing a certain way, but there comes a point when so much evidence is pointing one way and almost no evidence is pointing the other way, that each bit of circumstantial evidence adds up until the probability is beyond a reasonable doubt. When you start to add in things like the war games on 9/11, the missing pentagon trillions, the NORAD stand down, Norm Minneta's testimony, Pilots for 9/11 truth, Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth, the Citizens Investigation Team, Odigo warnings, insider trading, (I encourage you to google any you aren't familiar with) all these chunks of evidence that can't be refuted reach an overwhelming probability that this was not the work of hijackers commanded from a cave in Afghanistan but conclusively was an inside job perpetrated not just by insiders in the US governement (and in WTC security) but also at the very top of the mass media, who clearly refuses to touch any REAL evidence (circumstantial as it may be) with a 10' pole, and instead chooses to marginalize and deride anyone who dares challenge their B.S. Official Conspiracy Theory.
My interest in 9/11 truth started with the WTC because from the moment they fell, it didn't look like a fire-induced collapse, so I figured there were explosives (an idea supported by the TV talkers at the time, until, apparently the proper marching orders were handed down) and I was looking forward to the investigation to find out how those explosives got there. When Bush stonewalled the investigation I did some googling and became fully convinced by some German engineer who posted drawings side by side with images taken from video that showed the rotating tower top (falling freely) disintegrated with no external forces acting upon it; and some physical drawings with video stills that showed the other tower's "collapse" to also be an impossibility absent explosives, I was convinced and went to work convincing others as best I could.
Anyway, I don't accuse you of thinking the world is flat, and I don't think the other poster was targeting you with that comment; I know a lot of intelligent people who can't get over the cognitive dissonance and it makes me sad but hey at least you're thinking outside the "box" and I respect you greatly for that.
kind regards,
njt
Value and Proof
First of all Value welcome to Winter Patriot dot com and thanks for your comments.
You wrote: "I don't know anyone of them personally, so I've chosen to remain a "skeptic" until some evidence arises in which I can trust."
I'm curious as to what kind of evidence you would trust. Would that be the results of a truly independent investigation (if such a thing is possible in today's world and I have my doubts it could be done)? Or would the evidence have to come from someone you know and trust? Like you, I am not a structural engineer, nor a welder nor an expert of any kind that could contribute to analyzing the events of 911. So, engineers could tell me any kind of gobbledygook about that angle cut and I wouldn't know if they where telling me the truth. I agree with NJT that we lay persons have to rely on the accumulation of evidence that strongly points in the direction that the towers were not brought down by structural damage caused by the impact of the planes and the ensuing fires. We can see with our own eyes by examining the photo and video evidence that the buildings clearly appear to have been brought down by explosive charges. In my mind, the onus needs to be on the purveyors of the official conspiracy theory to come up with some credible proof to support their story. We know that the official 911 investigation was a complete whitewash. The 9/11 Commission even rejects their own report as based on government lies.!
"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson
cognitive dissonance
Hi McJ,
"I'm curious as to what kind of evidence you would trust."
I'm not really sure, but I guess it would be the kind of evidence put forward by an independent investigation. One with better access to sources such as the people who were directly involved in the rescue efforts and could make more informed comments, for example, on the nature of the fotos shown here. I also highly doubt that this will happen in the near future.
During the last few years I have noticed a growing gap between the world as we experience it in our daily lives and the picture of the world that we construct out of multiple pieces of information and opinion we gather from the mass media and the internet. The omnipresence of "news" creates the false impression that we can actually know what's going on in the world. The mass of contradicting information that I have at the moment creates so much cognitive dissonance that I find myself unable to see a bigger picture.
The whole 9/11 story to me is a giant head trip. On the one hand there is all this evidence. But then again I find myself unable to imagine how such a giant operation could have been planned and executed by a small group of people. Someone here insinuated that the mass media were involved in the conspiracy. I find that almost unimaginable because of the enormous risk of disclosure involved. Also, I know people who work in the mass media. I even know a journalist who writes articles for a big weekly newspaper in Germany and while the system may be rotten, most of the people in it are still decent people. Also, I have read "the great war for civilization" by Robert Fisk. It's a 1200 page indictment of the west for its policies and wars that have contributed to the situation we have today in the middle east. It's full of empathy and grief for the many lives that all these senseless wars have cost. Fisk is the only western journalist who has ever interviewed Bin Laden. Here is someone who really has some insight into the mechanisms of global politics. And he believes that it was Bin Laden who was behind 9/11. He has been called a "gatekeeper" for that which I find utterly ludicrous.
That's why I try to focus on my real life. I don't need to be part of a movement here. I don't need to contemplate the big evils here. Instead I can see if I can make a difference by dealing with the smaller evils in myself. Now I'm going to cast my vote.
Best wishes!
911 Media Conspiracy Unimaginable
"Someone here insinuated that the mass media were involved in the conspiracy. I find that almost unimaginable because of the enormous risk of disclosure involved."
Hello again Value. It may well seem unimaginable and I do understand that, however when you see a supposed Jetliner plow into WTC then it goes right into it without anything apearing to fall of, seems unlikely. Later you see photo's and film of the huge steel grid surrounding the exterior of WTC it is obviously impossible. A Jetliner's shell is aluminium. They are giant birds and a light structure is important. What do you think a big heavy chunk of steel would do to an aluminium can. I hope NJT doesnt mind me posting a full sized photo here but to make the impact of just how strong the massive steel frame and core of WTC was, you gotta see the big picture. But this is still a small picture. Standing below this structure in the latter stages of construction must have been an awe inspiring experience.
Then when you watch the movie "September Clues" they use footage broacast to and recorded by the American Public which shows the nose of the plane comming out the other side intact without damage. It has apparantly plowed through the massive almost solid steel exterior steel frame of WTC and the even bigger central steel core.
Once you examine this footage how do you explain it? Was this video doctored by conspiracy theorists. I very much doubt it as the anchor is saying that the plane has gone right through the building and is comming out the other side so his commentary confirms that this is what the (fake) video depicts.
And this overwhelming evidence of fake video fraud is only one ( very important ) piece of evidence. This amazing 911 film ( amazing becuase we didnt all see it immediately ) documents ample evidence of media complicity and manipulation. It is hard for me to believe people would do this but I am fully convinced and horrified after watching this movie.
When I get to a faster connection Ill post the nose in nose out shot but its in the first part of September Clues. Please offer a plausable explanation because there isnt one.
I advise everyone to watch this movie which I have posted to the 911 Forum here
WTC Construction - Floor Trusses
NJT -- "But that angle with
NJT --
"But that angle with a clean cut straight line and the molten drips down the side of the column did not and could not have resulted from collapsing material above. Period."
Absolutely true. The "skeptics" who refuse to see this remind me of the "skeptics" who were counfounded at evidence that the Earth is not flat... or the skeptics who believed that the entire universe revolves around the Earth and wouldn't hear evidence to the contrary... or the skeptics who couldn't believe that sailing West from England or Spain yielded a new continent other than India -- what, there's other land masses between Europe and India as one goes west?
When you can't dare to follow science and instead must use irrationality, all things appear false.
mountain of slag?
if you look at that picture above (the famous angle cut beam) near the head of the fireman to the left is what appears to me to be a mountain of slag, or cooling / hardening molten metal. It appears to be much more than one would expect from the cross-cutting a single column.
I wonder when (time of day, I assume this was on 9/11) this photo was taken and who took it - anyone know?
Did a quick Google search to
Did a quick Google search to see if I could find any info about who took the picture. No luck yet but did stumble upon this interesting comment that a welder fabricator made on 911blogger regarding the famous angle cut.
I too am a welder fabricator...For thirty years. I also worked as an iron worker. The slag is on the outside which rules out a torch cut. I would use a lance,sometimes called a burning bar. It would explain the slag on the outside . As for the fallen tree theory. You don't try an drop steel like this. For safety sake you would attach a choker via crane or large track hoe. You would not waste time with an angled cut.. The equipment used would direct the fall.
If they did try to use this angled method for direction control (which is unsafe as hell) You would only cut the sides and the back of the column. This would show the inside of the column bent , and torn.
There is only one explaination for the slag on the outside of the column, and the diagonal cut.
CUTTER CHARGES.............PERIOD. http://www.911blogger.com/node/18125
and also this from the same thread:
At www.jamesnachtwey.com you can go to the last picture he posts that he took 9/11/01 An interview with him explains that he was incapacitated by the dust on the site at that day and did not return to make photos in subsequent days. In that photo, which is posted elsewhere on the web, you can see the bases of two support columns with what appear to be angle demolition charge cuts. Publicly acknowledged steel cutting occurred a little on 9/12 to aid in search for survivors and cleanup cutting of steel did not start until at least 9/13.
Here's the picture he took. It seems likely from the cloud of dust/smoke in the background that this photo was taken the day of 911 and you can clearly see what appears to be the two angle cut beams, that he is referring to.
(If you click on the picture it will take you to Photobucket where this is hosted. Mouse over the picture and you get a menu bar. Under edit choose 'see much more...' and it will take you to the photo editor. The slider bar on the upper right of the page lets you zoom in. There is also a fullscreen option.)
"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson
Expanded view of picture
Here is an expanded view of the first (angle cut) picture. I'm wondering, if this beam was cut after the fact, where is the part they cut off. Would that presumably have been dragged off by heavy equipment or lifted off by a crane? We see no evidence of that in this picture.
Again, this is hosted at Photobucket so you can click on the picture to access their zoom as well as fullscreen functions.
"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson
Plenty of Proof if put in front of a Jury to deliberate
NJT In the video they mention that for weeks molten metal in the ground of 911 was melting the firemans boots it was so hot yet jet fuel will not heat steel to that degree. It the upper part of the building was hot then why did people not die from the heat. Why did so many people get out of a building that was hot enough to melt or deform steel. Why didn't they talk about the intense heat in the building because if this heat could deform steel it would be enough to toast the people trying to get out.
Firemans Boots melting weeks after 911
The heat that melted the firemans boots weeks after 911 lends support to the use of high temperature explosives being used to cut those steel frames at the base of ground zero.
Liquified Steel - Heat applied to the steel frame - Not fire
I think the only way one can explain the molten metal and the fact that people in the building didn't report intense heat from fire is that the heat was applied in certain places to cut the steel frames. The molten metal could not have been caused by a general fire which isn't hot enough to liquify steel. Had there been fires of this temperature no one would have gotten out of the building. The heat must have been directly applied at critical points with the charges used for the demoltion. It cannot be explained any other way unless youn believe the earth is flat.
Truth for Press
Here in Canada we have two forms of free press that are initiating what you are requesting in this great article. One such is Press for Truth located at http://pressfortruth.ca/. A movie they released is called The Nations Deathbed. In my hometown of Ottawa this last Canada day Ottawa911truth.com and OttawaChange.org gave away 1000 copies of this dvd. In Toronto they also gave away dvd's and in 8 other cities I believe. This movie is amazing and shows what we can do with peaceful assembly and a watchful eye (camera). Please visit their site and give your support. Spread the truth and keep it beautiful!
Max Radico
Grasshopper Media
Welcome Radico
Welcome Radico from a fellow Cannuck.
Thanks for the link and info about the movie and btw we think the Winter Patriot is a fantastic blog site as well!
"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson
Keeping 9/11 Research Alive!
Hi folks, it's been a long time. Glad to see so many familiar names here and best wishes to all.
Here's a link to a working video that may be the one Winter wanted to post re: Dan Rather & Jerome Hauer plus more:
9/11 Solution Restored - The Video Google Censored
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/146563-The-9-11-Solution-RESTORED-The-...
http://saveourwetlands.org/keyplayers911.html - Christopher Bollyn:
The Key Players of 9-11 - Who is Jerome Hauer? - January 20, 2008
In this one (abt. 1 1/2 minutes), Michael Moore speaks out:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/123.html
Brasscheck TV's Inside Job - WTC Demolished by Internal Explosions - Listen for yourself!
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/91.html
Brasscheck TV's 9/11 Files: http://www.brasschecktv.com/index.php?call=category&id=13
More free 9/11 videos: http://www.911docs.net/#911_Interviews_TV-Shows_Programs
Has anyone been thinking about HAARP in regards to the latest earthquakes & tsunami?
Sorry to hear about your Dad, Winter. I hope he will be healing & doing better soon. I'm sad to hear about the loss of your kitty - at least his death seems to have been peaceful.
Take care all,
Kira
Men can't see the writing on the wall until their backs are up against it. ~~Mark Twain~~
Welcome Back Kira!!
Welcome Back Kira!!
Where you been?? We missed you.
I'm busy dealing with crisis' happening around me (not me personally, immediate family and friends) so I'm not blogging much these but just had to say hi.
"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson
Great Video Kira
Its good to see you back here
. Im on a slow connection right now but did manage to download "The Video Google Censored". Thanks for that link and its amazing so many Canadians have watched it.
It likens one of the supposed witnesses to 911 who started off the official myth to an infomercial and hits then nail right on the head.
As I said am on a slow connection and can't watch too many videos right now and wish youtube would give the option of posting the audio tracks to a video on the same page for people without the bandwidth to watch movies. So many people just never see these movies cause of bandwidth.
Anyway low bandwidth and like others here I have personal stuff happening which means I can't really afford to be spending too much time here.
911 comment
This comment was left on the Telegraph's website after the a story about Charlie Sheen urging President Obama to reinvestigate 911 was published. I thought you all would enjoy it as much as I did.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/6177194/Charlie...
Charlie Sheen will be viewed by history as a very brave individual...
The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this...
Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah...
Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes...
And hangover or not, they manage to give the world's most sophisticated air defense system the slip...
Unphased by leaving their "How to Fly a Passenger Jet" guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely...
Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two... and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically - through their own mass - at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.
Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground... only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI...
...Meanwhile down in Washington...
Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing...
Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little...
Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world's most heavily defended building...
...all without a single shot being fired.... or ruining the nicely mowed lawn... and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video...
...Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania...
So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later...
And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants... except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana...
...Further south in Florida...
President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class full of primary school children... shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger...
...In New York...
World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously...
While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the 'New Pearl Harbor' catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination...
And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports...
by Blair on September 12, 2009
at 06:55 PM
"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson
Beautiful!
Thanks, McJ. What can one say, it's poetry! There must be a Nobel award for this, surely.
Re-energizing
Great debate going on here! Restoring my faith...Thankyou...
Awesome Article
It's important to remember as a day where many innocent people lost their lives needlessly, but I think it's also a day where we should keep in mind the dangers of faith-based hatred.
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and we should also keep in mind the dangers of exploiting peoples grief for commercial gain
I pray every night that these
I pray every night that these people will be healed and for their families
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