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Winter, you sandbagger, you!
Nice dialogue. I felt I was right in there with you. The emotion, that is . . . not the cesspool.

I thought you were a bit rough on Messrs Ibbetson & Godlewski, though. You can't reasonably expect them to see what is the bleeding obvious to us when they are afflicted with having their heads up their arses. I mean, hey, it's Dark in there.

I wonder how many of these idiots end up with serious psychiatric problems to go with their future neck and back afflictions.

Oh my! Very enjoyable read WP. Gawd those guys can write shit ok, but write truth, no way!

Here's the short version.
Tsisageya made an offensive comment about Muslim men. James asked her to remove it. Sally challenged her to explain herself. She got defensive and snarky and didn't remove the comment so Winter did it for her.

"The most unpleasant truth in the long run is a far safer traveling companion than the most agreeable falsehood." Emerson

Thanks for that vid, Winter! Now I'm just trying to figure out how to shoehorn it into the constricts of the dialogue one must engage in with Customs agents when entering the U$. I dunno - I may never return, like old Charlie on the MTA...

GERMANY:
Terror Plot Emerges as Secret Service Game
http://ipsnews.net/print.asp?idnews=48154

" It was announced as a terror plot busted. German police had captured three young Muslim men in the small village Medebach-Oberschledor, some 450 km southwest of Berlin Sep. 4 in 2007. The police declared they had seized 730 kilograms of hydrogen peroxide, enough to make 550 kg of explosives.
The three men, and a fourth, who was captured a year later in Turkey, wanted to bomb U.S. military and other facilities in Germany, and to kill "as many U.S. soldiers as possible," one of the accused later confessed.

The four men told court their plans were in retaliation against the U.S. war on 'Islamic terrorism', especially the abuse of hundreds of Muslims detained at Guantanamo prison. German authorities and the media dubbed the four men 'the Sauerland group', in reference to the region where they were captured.

The Sauerland group were declared to be members of the Islamic Jihad Union, an alleged terrorist organisation based in Uzbekistan.

Almost two years later, the case is before the higher regional court in Duesseldorf, some 460 km southwest of Berlin, and should come to a close early 2010.

But now, the case has ceased to be "the serious terrorist threat" it was called. It is now a mysterious puzzle of secret service games, prosecutors' alarmism spread by the media, and basic failures of justice.

The supposedly dangerous group members have emerged as no more than some muddle-heads. They had no links whatsoever to international Islamic terror groups.

"No Islamic chief villain...in Pakistan or somewhere else influenced the group," says Hans Leyendecker, one of Germany's top investigative journalists. "Its members are dumb, narrow-minded young men who hate the U.S."

Moreover, the fifth member of the group, yet to be captured, has been described as a Turkish national known only as Mevlut K. He now appears as an informer of the Turkish national intelligence organisation (MIT, after its Turkish name). He was the key figure in the plot, according to confessions by other members of the Sauerland group.

"Without Mevlut, we would not have been able to go as far with the preparations as we did," Attila Selek, one of the accused, told the court. 'K' had procured 26 fuses for the bombs the group was supposed to make, Selek said. Only, the fuses were useless. German police investigations showed that all but two were too humid to work.

Fritz Gelowicz, another member of the terrorist group, said the four men were informed of K's links with the MIT. "We knew that Mevlut had links with several secret services," Gelowicz told the court. "We though that these links were good for us."

K apparently did not hide his links to the Turkish secret service. On at least one occasion K told the group they were being monitored by the German security agencies. "Then he told me he was stealing this information from secret services," Selek told the court.

Despite warnings that the German police were constantly informed of their actions, the four men continued their preparations until they were captured.

Numerous sources have confirmed that the German foreign intelligence service Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) knew in 2004 that Mevlut K worked for the MIT. That year, the sources said, the MIT proposed to the BND that K be infiltrated into Islam movements in Germany. The BND reportedly rejected the Turkish plan.

Despite the confessions about K's involvement, German justice failed to order his capture for a long time. Mevlut K. is believed to be living in Turkey.

German authorities only issued an international warrant against Mevlut K. Aug. 13, several weeks after depositions by the other four members of the group had been widely circulated.

The Sauerland group could have been "an orchestration to make believe that a huge terrorist threat" was looming over U.S. military facilities in Germany, says Rene Hellig, leading commentator with the Neues Deutschland daily.

Former British ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray calls it a fake case orchestrated by Uzbek security services. .."
ETC

Startpage Metasearch is easy on the eye and has a long explanation of just what it is they do. Dogpile is nicely designed but didn't say anything really about cookies etc. Ive changed my start page to SM. Will use both SM and Scraper for a while I think. Scraper is a bit grey but its a google search so I'll compare them for a while.
"if anyone is getting consistant air time, they are "on the team"
Just like presidential candidates etc etc......................................