Winter Patriot Community Blog

Yup, and that is why THEY have churches worth a few mil and YOU have a free blog.

I don't go to church much, but I do read your blog!

Maybe those ministers envy you and turn in their beds at night.

Just a brief disclaimer first: I can't make any informed comments because I've never stepped foot in a church. And it's not cause I'm a bad Christian. You'd think that would disqualify me from adding any statement, but I can be pretty persistent.

There is an obvious lack of spirituality during the Christmas season. Even in the Church as you say, where the passages quoted aren't filled with any passion or vigor and the preachers don't speak from any sense of right and wrong on militarism, war and peace, and foreign occupation. The Church is the one remaining place in our society today where we expect some kind of spiritual education, a place to remind us every week why we should be committed to peace, truth, kindness and other unamerican principles. Like you said, the church is a place where we want to be "reminded that what I do to the least of my fellow humans, I also do to God."

Once you've 'woken up' to the insanity around you, it's hard to celebrate. If you believe that your existence is grounded with a five year old Iraqi children who's arm has been blown off, it's hard to celebrate. It's unimaginable to celebrate. Maybe in the future, when we can be satisfied, as a country and as a people, and as a species, of our deeds and accomplishments, maybe then we can truly celebrate the Christmas season.

I wholeheartedly agree, that at the present time, no reasonable sane man can partake in such as a folly-o-jolly season. Hopefully, in the future, after much work and struggle, you (and I include myself in this too) can celebrate, knowing that the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and the rest of the human family can too join in the celebration.

Who0o0. That was long-winded. I told you I was persistent.

I'm with you 100%.

--Grimblebee--

Ho, ho, you should try being raised Catholic. What preached in church is all about the the sin, the evil, the horror of abortion. When the church starts getting as passionate about murdering children already born, I'll consider going back to mass.

Thanks for all the very thoughtful comments ... I do appreciate them.

I don't think printing this post and handing it to the pastor would do any good ... the tone of ths piece is all wrong ... and a different approach is required ... but I'm working on it ...

I hope to have more to post before Christmas, but just in case: Best wishes to all my readers and their families.

brrrrrr
WP

But I will say it anyway.

I am so fucking sick of MEN. I am fucking sick of PENISES. I am so FUCKING sick of men's desire to stick their motherfucking dicks into any motherfucking HOLE they find convenient.

I AM---SICK OF EXPLOSIONS, BOMBS, BULLETS, DEATH. I am SICK OF TESTOSTERONE.

I am sick of this bullshit, I am sick of evil. What? I don't KNOW what is fucking evil?

BULLSHIT.

I know.

I AM

I'm not a good writer so I know I will sound trite but your post nailed my own personal thoughts completely. I fantasize all the time about opening the Bible and asking your question to my evangelical family. Why John 3:16 and not Matthew 25? I don't because I know at this stage it is impossible for them to shift gears. So I dream in silence and feel very far away from their perception of the world and from them too, I suppose.
I try church but my hope for radical words of justice and truth is not answered and I give up quickly. I admire you greatly for trying.
Finally, because I am a Christian and because Jesus' life and words resemble all my hopes for this world, I allow myself to be comforted by His spirit. Otherwise, these days, my church is Louis Armstrong singing What a wonderful world. If he could sing it like that, I can sometimes believe him.

And he lost a whole heap of recent work.

End times are coming - for the Bush administration. Undersea cables are being cut. Cheney is admitting to crimes so that Bush can pardon him (and hundreds of others) before he goes out of office.

Not that Obama would really pursue them - it just takes the pressure off Obama to do anything. And a few Dems like Pelosi will be pardoned as well.

It's people versus power, same as it ever was...

WP

Agreed that "thou shalt not kill" should be being taught in churches and everywhere else for that matter.
You are right that many Christians use their belief that christianity allows them to sin, that Jesus has already paid their debt and died to allow them to do it (sin) with no consequences.
I do however believe in individual relationships with the creator and don't think it necessarily means folk will make up new rules to suit themselves if given proper guidence.

“The last Christian died on the cross”

I liked this post WP. I have thought about it a lot over these past few days. Since my childhood, the only times I have gone to a church is for weddings and funerals so I don't know much about what goes on in them these days.
I have fond memories of my church days but they are mostly about the building (our church was a spectacular piece of architecture) and the music (cause I sang in the choir). Even as I young child I never could buy those bible stories they taught us in Sunday school - no matter how many colouring books they gave us . I always wanted to know the how and why (how exactly did Moses part the Red Sea, why would God ask someone to kill his own son...???). I guess I wasn't very good at the faith stuff. I do remember that emphasis was put on things such as being a good neighbour and helping those that were less fortunate. I can't ever remember being taught that Jesus was a personal saviour but then maybe I heard what I wanted to hear. I have taught my children that if anyone is preaching to you that someone or something is going to save you that's your sign that you need to get out of there!!
I believe there is a creative force behind life and the universe and I do seek to understand it in my own way however, so much evil has been perpetrated by religions in the name of God that I not convinced that we should allow churches of any denomination to teach anyone anything, especially not about the really important stuff!
Just my opinion...

My sincere wishes for health and happiness for you and your family - today and all the days of your year
Cheers
"I set it down,
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain..." -- Shakespeare, Hamlet, I, v

THE WAR PRAYER, BY MARK TWAIN

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle--be Thou near them! With them --in spirit--we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with hurricanes of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen."

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McJ,

That's two points. That's a straight line. Twain's on our side!